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Monday, January 22, 2018
Day 4 IBEW Ball Bargain
To All,
Today we continued to discuss contract language proposals. We will continue tomorrow on Language Proposals. Hopefully Wednesday we will commence with Economics.
This whole system is undermined by the fact that we have people who wield absolute power absolutely. Which creates a slippery slope and gives at least to me, an impression that your voice doesn't matter as much as is implied. A democratic system that doesn't vote on it's head voice. Sounds kosher...
Second intelligible point to ponder is: why we don't have legal representation during this prosess. The guys at the union hall are no substitute for PROPER council during an labor negotiation. Make no mistake, BALL sends their best to make sure they get a good deal. It goes without question that one of them possess a legal degree. I mean how would they know if they were getting smashed.
Why are we not afforded the same chance to walk away with the same or better deal than last? There are legalities that may supersede worse deals in the prior contract. But what would we know, no one here is versed in labor law.
In this situation the men sent are; at best good at making cans and at worst sheep led to slaughter. The reality being that slaughter is potentially higher deductibles, increased work load and the like. We don't need wifi. We need representation. I have heard at least have our plant voice these same points so definitely not a small issues.
Let's start and sift through the recent blogs and BS. Of demands for example free wifi and changing the wording of leadman. The real issues we should be focusing on ,should be items that compensate us as hourly employees.
Let's fight for a 5%- 7% raise in our hourly wage. How about a higher night shift differential. How about all scheduled overtime be paid at double time. Or a 2 week day,1week night rotation, a increase in our pension. Health benefits with a lower deductible and lower out of pocket max. More money in our HSA, 2 sick days and 3 personal, with out paperwork, salary already has 3 personal. Lowering the tenor for vacation ex. 6yrs=3wks,12yrs=4wks. The possibility of buying out some of our tenor employees. A higher shoe allowance for all dept. Especially in the D&I area , also compensation for D&I as well for taking over the Briquetter room. Another proposal all new hires don't reach full rate for a 2yr term. Or when you work overtime the 2nd day or 3rd day in row it's at double the hourly rate. "Leadperson" is every dept. A higher hourly rate for the millwrights, chem process, tool journeymen ,sorry politically correct "journeypeople"
Now with these issues that have been listed above. Here is the reasons why we should fight for them. As everyone knows we just a broke another record producing year, a 46 year all time high. And guess what they want more than before. With a less hourly staff, and "rumor" has it with a staff of 80 employees. Which in most cases here at wallkill turn out to be the truth. So far since the last contract we've loss. Employee personnel in the depts, of millwrights,electricians despite the raise, tool room, chem process, warehouse. Plus with this when 3 of our tenor brothers retire from the Deco dept. Instead of hiring for these positions they want to move people around from the Tool room and D&I depts.
The past contact was opened in the middle of the term. To adjust the hourly wage for electricians, and also created the "leadperson" for wallkill. Which was a good proposal all around for us and them. For us it helped our fellow co-workers, and prove the FACT THAT THERE WAS MONEY STILL LEFT ON THE TABLE FROM LAST NEGOTIOANS. Supposedly there was no more left on the table. And guess what SURPRISE!!!! , and guess where it came from "US" not standing together and fighting for it.
C'mon it's time to get our heads out of you know where and take a look around. The hell with free wi-fi in a contract , that's like the last contract people we're asking for free soda "Really C'mon". We've lost replacement in every dept. And never received any compensation for it.
Now is the time to stand together as brothers & sisters, and fight for our demands. Some may be Leary and stray for fear of strike or shut down. "NEWSFLASH" a strike takes a long time to implement. Have to vote no on all 3 proposal and then even a while after that . And for the Coup-De-Grace (DeathBlow) the shut down. It doesnt matter if we received a .25 cent raise per hour or a $5.00 raise per hour when it comes from corporate it doesn't matter.
We've been here at wallkill for 46years and going strong, just recently in the "Can-Versation" it states that we set the standard for all other ball plants. And I guarantee after the signing of a contract that all of sudden we will have the Red Bull here at wallkill.
We are so great at conversion we do it in 1 shift. We are so good at that we send our own to other plants teach them the skill that we possess. And here's the kicker they get more of everything than what we receive here.
Now is the time to stand together and fight for all as brothers and sisters and the go distance till our demands are met. It's time we start get treated as assets to the company rather than degenerates.
Sick time, no more forced overtime because the company doesn't want to hire....that's there own fault. If the company is doing so well then compensate us for what we do for them and not some cock and bull profit share,give us what management gets! Spend money in the place to actually fix what needs fixing even if it's not apart of making money! Stop giving all of us the lip service and tell the truth! Work for the people who pay out of their paycheck, their hard earned money for the union to represent us!
looks like double chin is eating good!
ReplyDeleteIs that Tony bologna eating Chinese
ReplyDeleteNo Looks Like he is constipated,
DeleteWe are counting on you to stay strong for us!!!!
ReplyDeleteBe Tony the Tiger, NOT Tony Baloney
This whole system is undermined by the fact that we have people who
ReplyDeletewield absolute power absolutely. Which creates a slippery slope and gives at least to me, an impression that your voice doesn't matter as much as is implied. A democratic system that doesn't vote on it's head voice. Sounds kosher...
Second intelligible point to ponder is: why we don't have legal representation during this prosess. The guys at the union hall are no substitute for PROPER council during an labor negotiation. Make no mistake, BALL sends their best to make sure they get a good deal. It goes without question that one of them possess a legal degree. I mean how would they know if they were getting smashed.
Why are we not afforded the same chance to walk away with the same or better deal than last? There are legalities that may supersede worse deals in the prior contract. But what would we know, no one here is versed in labor law.
In this situation the men sent are; at best good at making cans and at worst sheep led to slaughter. The reality being that slaughter is potentially higher deductibles, increased work load and the like. We don't need wifi. We need representation. I have heard at least have our plant voice these same points so definitely not a small issues.
I hope thats free WiFi
ReplyDeleteI hope thats free WiFi
ReplyDeleteLet's start and sift through the recent blogs and BS. Of demands for example free wifi and changing the wording of leadman. The real issues we should be focusing on ,should be items that compensate us as hourly employees.
ReplyDeleteLet's fight for a 5%- 7% raise in our hourly wage. How about a higher night shift differential. How about all scheduled overtime be paid at double time. Or a 2 week day,1week night rotation, a increase in our pension. Health benefits with a lower deductible and lower out of pocket max. More money in our HSA, 2 sick days and 3 personal, with out paperwork, salary already has 3 personal. Lowering the tenor for vacation ex. 6yrs=3wks,12yrs=4wks.
The possibility of buying out some of our tenor employees. A higher shoe allowance for all dept. Especially in the D&I area , also compensation for D&I as well for taking over the Briquetter room. Another proposal all new hires don't reach full rate for a 2yr term. Or when you work overtime the 2nd day or 3rd day in row it's at double the hourly rate. "Leadperson" is every dept. A higher hourly rate for the millwrights, chem process, tool journeymen ,sorry politically correct "journeypeople"
Now with these issues that have been listed above. Here is the reasons why we should fight for them. As everyone knows we just a broke another record producing year, a 46 year all time high. And guess what they want more than before. With a less hourly staff, and "rumor" has it with a staff of 80 employees. Which in most cases here at wallkill turn out to be the truth. So far since the last contract we've loss. Employee personnel in the depts, of millwrights,electricians despite the raise, tool room, chem process, warehouse. Plus with this when 3 of our tenor brothers retire from the Deco dept. Instead of hiring for these positions they want to move people around from the Tool room and D&I depts.
The past contact was opened in the middle of the term. To adjust the hourly wage for electricians, and also created the "leadperson" for wallkill. Which was a good proposal all around for us and them. For us it helped our fellow co-workers, and prove the FACT THAT THERE WAS MONEY STILL LEFT ON THE TABLE FROM LAST NEGOTIOANS. Supposedly there was no more left on the table. And guess what SURPRISE!!!! , and guess where it came from "US" not standing together and fighting for it.
C'mon it's time to get our heads out of you know where and take a look around. The hell with free wi-fi in a contract , that's like the last contract people we're asking for free soda "Really C'mon". We've lost replacement in every dept. And never received any compensation for it.
Now is the time to stand together as brothers & sisters, and fight for our demands. Some may be Leary and stray for fear of strike or shut down. "NEWSFLASH" a strike takes a long time to implement. Have to vote no on all 3 proposal and then even a while after that . And for the Coup-De-Grace (DeathBlow) the shut down. It doesnt matter if we received a .25 cent raise per hour or a $5.00 raise per hour when it comes from corporate it doesn't matter.
We've been here at wallkill for 46years and going strong, just recently in the "Can-Versation" it states that we set the standard for all other ball plants. And I guarantee after the signing of a contract that all of sudden we will have the Red Bull here at wallkill.
We are so great at conversion we do it in 1 shift. We are so good at that we send our own to other plants teach them the skill that we possess. And here's the kicker they get more of everything than what we receive here.
Now is the time to stand together and fight for all as brothers and sisters and the go distance till our demands are met. It's time we start get treated as assets to the company rather than degenerates.
Its about time someone posted something worth reading
ReplyDeleteSick time, no more forced overtime because the company doesn't want to hire....that's there own fault. If the company is doing so well then compensate us for what we do for them and not some cock and bull profit share,give us what management gets! Spend money in the place to actually fix what needs fixing even if it's not apart of making money! Stop giving all of us the lip service and tell the truth! Work for the people who pay out of their paycheck, their hard earned money for the union to represent us!
ReplyDeleteWhoever wrote that 9 paragraph comment is absolutely on point.
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